But theres something wrong in the whole business of Church. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. I was a member of WCCC for many years. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! Not sad or contemplative, but agitated and very irritated. So whos supposed to hold whos supposed to hold the leaders accountable in that structure? This is Chicago Tribune. This is people who are dissillusioned, who wanted big jobs at Willow and didnt get them. But when Scot, the the intra tribal dissenter steps up and says, This is wrong, things shifted. Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. One of those women is Vonda Dyer. And Im like, Ive never seen a spiritual leader ever, ever have that sort of self disclosure in front of the church before he preaches. Can you imagine how many books that sold her? Not so much at Willow till after, because I was so wrapped up in the Harvest stuff at that time and the Moody stuff that I didnt really have the capability or the bandwidth to do much reporting about Willow. You know, Hybels daughter had her own book on Oprahs book club. I Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. I dont think I could survive the corruption I see today had I not seen so much thats good and beautiful in the church growing up. And I remember you saying. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. He said, Pete, you should have one lawyer on your board but not more than one. And I believe that there is some really sound wisdom in that. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is May God lead your next steps and may you find ways to use your gifts from a place of health. It is not a program is not a set of services. Theres a lot of church boards that operate that way. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. I understand that the desire to have elders dealing with what Ill call Echelon or tier level, theological topics: What does the church think about, you know, for example, racial reconciliation? Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Mitch is an attorney, a church elder and an advocate for abuse victims. It was stunning to me. And yet here we see a church thats ostensibly about serving God, and its about proclaiming the gospel and yet this is happening within the church. Amen. He gave me a few new friends here and there, people to pray with, to share with, to be coworkers in some small ministry, etc. Dear anonymous. At the urging of a friend working in the radio industry, the Briscoes followed God's leading and used the tape sales proceeds to purchase local radio time, which launched Telling the Truth's radio outreach. People can do the job of preaching and leading a church for, you know, 40 plus weeks in the pulpit at a church of this size. Also I want to let you know that Judson University is planning to resume in person classes this fall for traditional transfer and adult students and its still not too late to apply. And I saw this at Harvest Bible chapel when I was doing reporting there. Great question. This was something that was very deeply ingrained in their culture. https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, Also, Id encourage you to read the website below. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. Really what it is, Julie, if we want to get down to it and go to spiritual or biblical terms, these are these are works of the flesh when were not led by the Spirit. And presented them with the information, he essentially tossed it to the side and said, So what?, No consequences. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray In the early 2000s, as Stuart and Jill transitioned into minister-at-large roles and spent more time traveling to serve the global church, an additional voice was added in order to bless the supporters ofTelling the Truth. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. So you caught them before that anything actually happened? Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? And if youd like to find me online, just go to JulieRoys.com. A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. I know for a fact that his article was circulated among the staff at Willow, and they crossed the Rubicon of credulity. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? But we dont have time on this podcast. Do we have a theology of goodness at our church? It grows over time. Vanilla orchids are actually pollinated by hand in most places. This person or these people were hurt as a result, you have a pride problem. So, you know, Julie, its really its death by 1000 cuts. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. Yeah, that is super dangerous. And I do think theres a spiritual stronghold, I hope and pray that it will be broken in our area. They had these Global Leadership Summits. Why didnt others support them? Like so many of you, I love Pete. So to some extent, we all have a measure of hypocrisy. Pete has offered to Everyone I knew from childhoodparents, grandparents, pastors, Sunday School teacherswas upright and honest. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. And this is one of the I think exciting things. Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. That was my upbringing. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both And that set the course for some of these more severe things to continue happening, and then to even get more and more severe. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. :), I would strongly urge you to research Voice of the Martyrs. And it turns out there were a lot more women who had been affected by Bill Hybels. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. That is a very fair question. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. By the way, the best thing that was said in the recording is that if character isnt there, none of the regulations will matter, and if character is there, one doesnt need the regulations. Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. However, there should be a bubble level of character in Christ that we return to. And gratitude is where we must go in this time, as Kurt Baxter reminded us on Sunday. The priests who cross the street, right? "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. Thats not to say there arent authentic people there. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? I think that they were scared of what Ill call the Christian Industrial Complex that had risen up around Bill, the economic consequences of speaking out on a topic of high consequence. Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Yes, I would view it far differently today. You have to have a strong culture of accountability. And I think you hit the nail on the head. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. Because it was lawyers advice, you know, and its like, where does the word of God play into our decision making? So, and youre the chairman of your board. I encourage leaders to research their selection criteria carefully before they recruit for their next vacancies. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. If you have six members of the Board of eight, lets just say its eight or 10. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. And then everyone could say, Oh, how sad that that one person did that one thing. I think it took courage. What I need most is what I dont have. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims, Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. Its M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. Pete has offered to At one point, the elder board at Willow became what people call a policy governance board. (See page 54 and following) And its so important, I think, for any of us who are doing any kind of ministry at all, if we get our identity wrapped up in what were doing, then what were doing is no longer ministry, its no longer service to the Lord. Well, one thing I did want to cover, and our time is getting to an end, but I know that you have dealt with having a sexual predator within your church. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. Is that right? Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. Glad that Jesus is still our anchor! Well, to answer your question, very bad. As I look back on my own four years on staff, Im thankful for the teaching and leadership that Pete Briscoe has brought to Bent Tree, and I know that so many of us have been impacted by his attention to the Lord and quick obedience to however God leads him. We bought the routine and its shocking. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. This is just the way things are in Corinth. I hear you say that and I believe in accountability really strongly. This is a calling. and Im going to butcher the title. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. And thankyou for all you do in the NAME of JESUS! It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." I think there was a culture of pride at Willow that basically said, We are the elite of the Christian world. And while youre at it, wed really appreciate it if you help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review and then please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. But he had the emotional and spiritual fortitude to say, You know what? I know that the original elders of Harvest thought they could keep James accountable despite the knowledge that he had glaring character flaws from the beginning. And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. And so I thought it was so funny that James MacDonald had his house in the name of an entity called Vanilla Bean LLC. What Ive told people is, If you are not ready to blow yourself or the organization up in five seconds flat, you need to find a different hobby.. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. I appreciate you so much and look forward to visiting with you again soon. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Well, early on in the process after the Tribune article, we had to make a decision, How are we going to fight a machine of this size that is basically promulgating lies about these women and their families and their supporters? And I reached out to people that I already knew within, you know, the watch blogging community. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. For that we are forever grateful. And sadly, I think they have still. They made a lot of friends. Jill But you have seen the the worst of it. So glad to see you feature Mitch Little. In another area, it might be used to groom someone and use vulnerability as a mechanism to draw people into something that is corrupt. When you have a woman who says I was molested by a staff member, or you have a staff member who says, Bill Hybels just threw a punch at me, or dog cuts me up and down the hallway, those arent matters of policy, Julie. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. Well, Mitch, this has been read. I think there were a few major events. Right. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? What is it was Chicago? Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. Yep, thats rooted in pride. He was running and we were praying that he would surrender fully to God. Yeah, were all saints who sometimes sin. Manipulative theatrics. And wasnt there something with Bill Clinton coming to the church and speaking? May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! And I still havent been able to get her to visit with me. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. To view their entire showroom online. The fact that, I dont know. But they spoke. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Telling another woman, how she looks in a dress and how it accentuates her body, everything up to an alleged affair, to Pat Baronowski, Bill Hybels longtime assistant, stating in the New York Times said Bill Hybels made her obtain pornography and they watched it together. Because they, I mean, they had a massive PR machine they had, they hired Mark DeMoss, his firm to come in and try to resolve things from a PR standpoint. So Mitch, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. None at all. Hi Julie, my name is Teresa and I was wondering if Voice of the Martyr was a good place to donate. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. Pete has offered to It took me a long time to agree that he had done the things of which he had been accused. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. So when you have someone who is trusted, whos supposed to be an expert, you know, like a pastor, like a longtime senior pastor whos supposed to be a theological expert, and someone whos in authority like a senior pastor, people are willing to do things to satisfy that person that they would not otherwise do, even if those things seem harmful to another person. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. But you lose the guarding mechanism, which I think in todays in todays cultural moment, its probably the most important aspect of eldering. Do you understand what Im saying? But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. I did live it. Yeah, right. I was just following following lawyers advice. So its okay. Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. Or what is the church think about Calvinism? something along those lines. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. 1 talking about this. The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. There was another documented case where he had oral sex with his assistant back in the 90s at WC. Its the biblical admonition, you know, to hold a knife to your throat lest you desire the Kings delicacies. Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Correct? I will always have my faith in Jesus but church especially WCCC has been a huge disappointment. In fact, I know some of them. And what lessons can we learn from Willow Creeks mistakes? And I feel that way with these pastors. It was a huge fixture in evangelicalism. Ive even friended a few. Serving in the role of elder is a huge responsibility. Yes, I totally agree. It is what manifests. Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. And basically, my understanding is his cavalier attitude was, Well, Ill just pick up and Ill open a new church down the street [if] you dont you dont like me the way I am.. Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. When you say the IT department, its my understanding you came into some information about emails getting destroyed. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. Yeah, totally agree. It was everything from Vonda Dyers situation of being asked to come up to Bills room and talk leadership and a forced kiss, you know, a grab around the waist. If you want to know what grooming looks like in the context of church, every elder at a church of any size should read this book. And in the few times Ive spoken with him, I found his insights to be profound. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Let the Briscoes help you experience Life in all its fullness! So disappointed in ECFA. How did that all happen? Hes one of the good guys. And I realized that as we were discussing this, that there might be some people who have heard about what happened at Willow Creek, but somewhat superficially, through the headlines and dont really know beneath the surface. that keeps the honest person honest. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. He represented two women involved in the sex abuse scandal involving Bill Hybels. But if you have a pastor with a glaring character flaw youre fooling yourself if you think youre gonna keep that character flaw in line with a pastor who doesnt put Jesus Christ first in his life, am I right? I was kind of thrust into the middle of it out of love for wanting to help my friends and man, that thing escalated pretty quickly. Vonda was at one time the director of Willow Creeks vocal ministry, and she was one of the first women to come forward and speak publicly about Bill Hybels alleged sexual misconduct. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Pete was preaching from Hebrews, and he was making the New Covenant come alive before all of us. And its not something you can control like traditional mainstream media. And theres an element to which a church like Willow Creek was a global church, right? Thank you for joining us in seeing to it that no one misses the grace of God. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Very few. They need accountability. And unless theyre pollinated by hand, on the one day that the bloom opens, they wont make anything. I just, Im amazed that they were in such geographic proximity to one another dealing with almost the exact same problem. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. I think that he lost that. I think he lost it. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. I attended Willow for seven years. Yes, I have be disillusioned many times by churches and some leaders. Please note, our website requires JavaScript to be supported. Youve youve created a fiction when you organize church, what is a church organization but a legal fiction, right? Theres another circumstance that I became aware of where The board had a 360 Review done on Hybels and his leadership and some problems they were experiencing with his management style from, you know, bullying, abusive style. It took a variety of forms. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. But as you say its Gods grace that despite all that hes used these men to bless many, despite everything. I think one of the things that happens in churches, from a deformed leadership standpoint, is requiring boards to operate in unanimity or using unity as a cudgel against people who have firm convictions about things. Its not okay. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. At the same time. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. And so when these things happen, they cant just stay silent. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. John and Nancy Ortberg had been at Willow Creek as pastors. Hmm. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Yet, Scripture and to how to teach it became new and deep and exciting every week as I listened to Pete in the short three years I have been at Bent Tree. Ive asked that question many times. And theres a lot of people asking, Is that just too great a burden to ever put on one person? How do you respond to that? James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. 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