NowThis holster displays three distinct branches of service either real or fake. were issued to. They're not Nazi at all, just Imperial German. To the best of our knowledge, all the examples shown are original pre-1945 manufacture. Schutzpolizei (municipal police), Police installed over the barrel sight block blade assembly as a single unit with the The pistol is fitted with a set of checkered walnut grips. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on German weapons and equipment until 1937 it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. Three are police. It has no maker mark nor datePresumably a commercial. stamp was applied by local branch offices established in the last years of WW1, due to leather shortages, in major German cities and were applied to the leather sheets before distribution to the manufacturers, and the marks can show up in odd locations on the finished product, in this case, over the holster body pull-up strap rectangular slot. If you're looking for a high-value low-power variable optic that just plain performs, SIG Sauer has a great option at an affordable price with its Tango MSR LPVO scope. All the axis pistols are gone now except some Italian berettas and I have four lugers now. Police Lugers: German Police Lugers & their markings, 1918-1958 by Tinker. Thanks for the help. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine and sear safety and an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver or Maillechort belt buckle marked FREISTAAT PREUSSEN or Free State of Prussia. Knowledge is power, this applies to everyone who is in public life and strives forwards, but especially for the police officers, because his job brings him into close contact with the population every hour. Approximately 5 produced (2 originals known), not numbered. Pictured are a few examples: The post WW2 German Railway system apparently still required police protection as evidenced by the subject pictured FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly, Bahnpolizei (Railway Police) U.S. 355. Berlin police group. slides open to reveal five compartments containing: a folded, felt-like material cleaning rag. Pictured is a brown leather 1939 dated Kern Klager & Cie Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. But when Nazi party came to power, and started preparation. This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! Other than the most notable features of the cut-back artillery holsters is the toe plug and the cleaning rod sleeve of these former artillery Luger holsters, none are the same, as there are other changes, such as method of carry, where Sturgess in TBLAP suggests, that with the lack of belt loops they were carried over the shoulder, somehow utilizing the rear attached leather stock block, although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the The holster was obtained with a cleaning rod, marked on a milled flat section of the shaft Sunburst S (1932-36), specifically made to be used with police Lugers. Since the HZa used the WaAJt instead of the HZaJt stamp, I would suspect it was a new made item and not a reissued piece. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. the vast majority of Weimar era Police wore plain belt buckles. For more detailed information on the 1949 Police manual. Chapter 4 3rd Reich Police Lugers Chapter 5 DDR Deutsche Volkspolizei (People's Police) Lugers a complete catalog of Police Luger Markings The book has . view 3. Checkered walnut grips are not numbered. Since these cut back LP08 holsters, at least in the Weimar era, had no provision for a spare magazine, the police officer carries a twin magazine pouch on his belt. When found, the holsters are generally expensive, even in fair to poor condition. 31. The exact date or time frame of the second conversion is uncertain, which could have been in the late 1920s or early 1930s. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. stamping for another letter or number, but since the upper portion of the left side rectangle enclosure line is partially obscured by the steel washer, resulting in a light stamping, missing a possible letter or number, which is a result of stamping too close to the underside washer, securing the cover flap steel stud. 4 days Left 18th Century Wooden Box with Brass Handle. As you see - new evidence produces mostly new questions. 19-105, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price, Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster. The addition of the army style holster body belt buckle and cover flap strap closure, not a requirement of the police, suggests the possibility of continued use in the Wehrmacht.[3]. droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. with LANDESPOLIZEI [7] (State Police) FR WRTTEMBERG-HOHENZOLLERN[8] marked on the allow citizens to protect themselves from looters, armed gangs, and The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in This would account for the Luftwaffe acceptance stamp. One of the belt loops appears to be replaced. 9mm Luger Caliber. In der Organisation der Polizei sind Unordnungen von einschneidender Bedeutung fr die Regelung der einzelnen Polizeiartenergangen, ohne das der Uusbau dieser fr das Staatsleben so wichtigen Finrichtung schon zum Ubschlus gefommen wre. As to what district the holster was first used is indeterminate, however, Berlin would be the most likely prominent district based on the external location of the Police marking. view 2 and view 3. The conclusion being is that the modification, if indeed done for the reason described, was an ill-conceived, poorly thought out exercise that didnt work out, and that the special Police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, as stated by some Luger authors, was never intended to be carried in a cut-back Artillery to Police holster, with the subject holster being the sole published example so modified. 1/11/23 - This is an original WW2 era production Luger magazine. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. They sure set off a display real nice. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force were ammended in two-step attachment process, requiring 1) a threaded, slotted, circular [2], The earliest dated new manufacture, second pattern regulation police holster is 1929. To see other police manual examples, such as full pagination and other details, click here. not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers. 19-130 text caption picturing a cut-back LP.08 holster: that the converted LP.08 artillery holsters were not reconverted by the decree of August 1928 and so retaining the LP.08 cleaning rod pocket (pouch), modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop. This is division marked WW3009=Wilhelmshaven Dockyard gun #3009 on the back strap. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in Kommando der B. Landespolizei=Command of the B. 2 St 16 - item 16 of the 2nd patrol unit. 2 Policing Germany, including Police Unit Marks Chapt. Get Guns.com offers and news!! But you must recognize that; being a researcher yourself! $60. My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. Still 1993, page 174, Figure 45a, the below pictured holster is an LOB example of the first style, first pattern, pre 1925 new manufacture Weimar era, unmarked police holster. All Luger pistols, produced by DWM after 1922 and until 1928(?) This was removed and the hilt was shortened accordingly. It is interesting to note however that no pistols having a blank toggle and the 'v' suffix have been reported so far. This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. Nuernberg (Nuremberg procurement office), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Sued (South Bavarian avaiation supervision), Flugueberwachung Bayern-Nord (North Bavarian aviation supervision), Nachrichtentechniche Abteilung (communications section), Ausbildungsstaffel der Nachr. It didn't really have to exactly comply or match others issued to a military unit preparing for battle. Hierdurch werden die jungen Polizeibeamten vor neue Uufgaben bgestellt, die sich um so schwieriger erweisen, als die neue Polizei nicht nur die Gesahren politischer und wirtschastlicher Kmpse abwehren, sondern vor allem ihrer eigentlichen frheren Tatigfeit zugesuhrt werden foll. What magazine variation is proper for your Luger P.08? WWI History after Treaty of Versailles: German production of 9mm pistols was prohibited. Potsdam=Eiche, im Juni 1921. The Germans used the letter "J" instead of "I" quite often to avoid confusion with the number "1." Take care and thanks for the quick response. Abtlg. 9mm; 95% blue, 90% straw, very good bore, near mint grips, 4'' barrel, The metal finish is very good, but it has slight muzzle wear on the left side of the barrel. The new MAUSER 1942 BANNER POLICE EAGLE L LUGER RIG - Z52521 9mm Luger; 95% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 4"'' barrel, Bright original finish with light scratches. A rare DWM-made Model 1906 9mm para made for the Tsarist Russia contract. All of the blank toggle guns are reported as Police guns. section slot then, 2) inserting Retains the cleaning rod pouch along the leading edge. It was the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. The reassignment of 9754r to the Weimar navy explains the removal of the Sear Safety and the Magazine Safety. If it is made after 1918it is a reproduction. The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. Specifically, the reason, thought to be for the exact length of the cleaning rod shaft from the tip to the brass stop of 135mm when inserted through the 4-inch barrel installed muzzle protector, extending though the barrel, is meant to end flush to the chamber face. Borge Villy Redsted Pertersen, alias 'Lieutenant Larsen' and other cover names, was among those who overcame. Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example, not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded, 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum), two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army. A good example of that was the 1927 and 1928 Simson lugers, they have been shown to be incorrect and wrong. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. The TBLAP kit was made for rifles and pistols, whereas the subject kit was specifically made for pistols as indicated by the 220mm, short length pull-through chain. Approximately 3,000 produced. The blade was shortened from 17 inches to 13 inches. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 9 ----------------------------------------------------------. Weapon no. I saw a police luger today marked of the grip strap with L. St.116. View First Unread . Stay in the know. Description. The gun was converted to a German Police Luger during the Nazi era sometime between 1928, the year of manufacture, and 1934 by adding a sear safety and forward gripstrap Police marking, longitudinally stamped "S.M. 4. This allows the cleaning of the barrel and receiver chamber without any damage to the barrel muzzle face or damaging contact to the breechblock face. This rare leather S.K.g 715 holster by Otto Stuertz Allenstein is in excellent condition. police cleaning rods, describes them as: Original Zone vs. the WW2 Bahnschutz (Railway Protection). Mike, i don't think Joop is doing that? -techn. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. Thread Tools: Display Modes I'll leave it to Joop to fill in the details if he wishes, but the record indicates that substantial numbers of the 29DWM variation were completed and proofed in Berlin, but were "unfinished" (no bluing etc.) The front of the frame is correctly marked "GERMANY" over the full serial number, indicating export outside of Europe. Landjaegerei (rural constabulary), Assigned to The metal finish is in very good condition. P.08 police Luger pistol, serial number 9140e is stamped on the back as well. (he Americans actually did the same thing as most American Regiments did not have a "I" Company, but skipped from "H" Company to "J" Company) Constanzo got this one completely wrong, and the marking is definitely from the late '30's not '20s, and please disregard nonsense about the building # assignments. Einwohnerwehr had a membership of hundreds of thousands and was Apparently, all post 1926 police style holsters were not made exclusively for the German Police as unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. There's a number "1" above the serial number on the base, which is indicative of police issued magazines, as the police numbered their magazines this way. The added cover flap leather keeper strip is correctly attached with single line stitching. Buy GERMAN LUGER P08 POLICE MAGAZINE WITH DOVE MARKING EARLY POLICE VERY RARE: GunBroker is the largest seller of WW1 & WW2 Collectibles Collectibles & Militaria All: 961041063 . This gives him the inner support, the calm appearance in the deficiency, the sure success and thus an increased enthusiasm and love for the profession. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. An inspection of other pre-WW1 Artillery holster/stocks in the collection shows yet another shape/style and size of cleaning rod pouch/sleeve affixed brass stud. or Schutzpolizei Hannover district as clearly stamped, curiously, on the inside of the cover flap, along with a 1920's S. H. 133. marking and in Berlin as indicated by the S.B. 30. Made by Mauser in 1936 for German Army. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. I figured out the other markings from earlier posts. Goering kept them under control of the Luftwaffe Air Ministry while all other Werkschutz units were controlled by the Ordnungspolizei. Der Polizeibeamte seiht sich daher den vielseitigen Uusgaben gegenberstehen. This unique variation is the only known example of a cut-back artillery so modified. The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. however, it is the opposite, since both variation 1 and variation 2 muzzle protectors have been aftermarket replicated. It was subject to the command of the local Reichswehr Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help . Most of these went to the German Police. Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. when raising the height of the cleaning rod pouch sleeve by adding a piece of leather, at the time simply removed or did not add the lower brass stud, extending the longer section, lower leather piece to where it covered the existing brass stud location. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei) by directive 5 April 1922. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in TBLAP by Grtz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, VIII, on pages 1262-1264 and pictured on page 1262, Fig. presidents were stamped like the police schools, but with an "L" instead On many Police Bayonets there are not only stamped numbers, but there were also letters proceeding the numbers that identified the city from where the bayonet was used during the Weimar period. Bayern (Bavarian Police Defense Force), Identification of individual units or independent centuria within an For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. (113P) DWM 1920 Police Rework Luger Pistol . feared that an expanded police force would become a ready reserve for the As to whether it was used in that capacity is not known, however, does lend to the confusion if there was a muzzle protector, specifically made for the sole function to be used exclusively with the new brass stop police cleaning rod. This Police holster definitely was used in two different locations or districts as indicated by the S. Hn. Pictured are two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle and multiple views of the subject Police holster, being view 1, view 2, view 3 and view 4. and discussed in The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols 2010 & 2011 by Grtz/Sturgess in Volume III, C19 Accessories, pages 1332-1333. This information came from a small book I have named The Luger Handbook by Aarron Davis. 3. similar restriction. The missing upper left corner of the left grip is part of the mag safety modification. In Third Reich Lugers 1988 by J. From the same time period is this beautiful DWM Swiss contract Model 1906 Luger sold on the commercial market in 1920s, and includes a vintage shooting medal from the Moudon, a historic town in the canton of Vaud in Switzerland. For those looking at the other end of the scale, there are a number of Mauser-produced byf Code WWII-era guns popularly known as black widows that are priced with estimates starting at $900. by Igorak89 09 May 2016, 18:58, Post Note: Black scabbard & frog is city. Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet made by CARL EICKHORN SOLINGEN, It is pictured again as part of a grouping consisting of a period 1937 dated Police manual titled: 1937 PDV 3 Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster and a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. Pictured are view 1 and view 2 of this unusual marked police holster. Still. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. The second modification occurred in 1929 or possibly much later to comply with the new police holster requirements, by eliminating the cleaning rod sleeve/pouch and adding a spare magazine pouch. Pictured is a black leather 1936 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. by dk598 16 Aug 2016, 04:12. 1014 stamping is believed to be for Schutzpolizei Erfurt, however, the I. of S.E.I. 03-16-2021 11:59 AM by mrerick. page 174, Fig. Regarding the completely intact magazine safety of 4559t, very few of these police Lugers survived as nearly all of these magazine safety assemblies were deactivated by cutting off the front end of the mechanism under a decree of May 1937. The following tables list the base forms for police unit marks found in Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. He does not mention if the pistols had been serialized at that time; if so these might have had serial numbers in the 's' block (Dwight might be helpful here). It is, therefore, hard to imagine that the lower positioned brass stud, affixed to the original cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, despite its thicker base, is a replacement of non-German origin. Many changes have occurred from the area of the state =, police = and criminal law. These were finished and delivered by Mauser as stock on hand in the early '30s. HIPO as well as Gestapo had their informers. Example 1. edge of the barrel sight band/block. Please help me with identifying those markings. With the reorganization of the police carried out on 6 October 1920, the factual responsibility of the new police has been considerably expanded. For more info on 1926 Forest Police manual, click, For more detailed information on the 1930s Aux Police manual, click, For more information on the 1937 Vorschrift manual, click. A very similar style of eagle can be found on Gewehr 98 rifles. Another vexing issue is Weimar photos that shows groups of NCO Police with a mix of ordinary belt buckles and rectangular box style Weimar Prussian eagles and other Weimar Police photos of what looks to be all NCO personnel with ordinary belt buckles, suggesting the vast majority of Weimar era Police wore plain belt buckles. This legitimate variation 1 muzzle protector, as of this writing, has been known of for more than 40 years, being the first published picture of a muzzle protector, appearing in Luger by J. Walter 1977 on page 149 described as: This device is often claimed to be part of a sub-calibre barrel insert, or even a Luger Grenade Launcher: in fact, it is simply a muzzle bush to support the cleaning rod, and thus minimize wear on the rifling. Included with the lot is a black leather flap holster (converted from Artillery to Police configuration, renumbered to match pistol, extensive hand . (Bavarian) State Police. If the blank toggles are related to the Riff contract, they would have been manufactured in or before 1926. The ERMA marked variation 2 muzzle protector seems most apt for the 4mm sub caliber training assembly. According to the Standard Catalog of Luger by Davis the meaning of this marking is unknown. [5] The S. M. 1074 markings are crossed-out with an X punch and re-stamped, positioned perpendicular at the forward gripstrap toe with an added Ostsee property number O.1057. You might remember that I was looking for the destination of 2,760 Luger pistols; having 98mm - 7.65mm barrels that came from Berlin to Oberndorf. The police officer is therefore faced with the varied expenses. Item Information. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings. Vickers Ltd. - England&break;6. var xy=Math.floor(Math.random()*ad.length); Used by Police forces guarding warehouses operated by the Heerszeugment. Additionally, pictured below are pages 94 and 95 of WOL showing an early supply poof E/HZa.JL.16, two army equipment depot proofs E/HZA.J.L.3 and HZA.JL.78 with the J representing building and L representing Lager or Depot and the digits representing the depot number. Over all good condition. An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size of either of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. Open Fullscreen Lot 3320: DWM Blank Chamber Police Luger Rig with Prussian Unit Markings Mauser Blank Chamber 1933 Police Sneak Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Unit Markings, 1933 Dated Police Holster, and Extra Magazine Auction Date: December 11, 2022 Estimated Price: $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping Below is continuing description of the second and final conversion. Pictured is another modified example. Over all good condition. Several Weimar Era Police pictures that show the box or rectangular shape belt buckles have been identified, yet veryfew examples of a Police Officer or group wearing a FREISTAAT No examples noted. Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. Faint illegible ink stamp inside the flap (Zeitz?). I would guess that Simson was doing a lot of military sales in 1926, and since it was a commercial venture, DWM stepped in. A 1925 dated report of the IMKK notes noncompliance and The lack of relevant textbooks has often been put to the test. by Poot 06 May 2016, 17:38, Post Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. An identical pistol variation is aptly described, very few of these early DWM/BKIW/Mauser Oberndorf assembled P.08s were made and. Spain attempted to extend their territory to expand their control and unify the two sections. German Army. RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Pistols and Holsters. It has all matching parts to include the side plate and take down lever which were stamped again with the same 2 digits as before but on the front of each part like would would see on a military marked pistol. A complete discussion of the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked S.B. -techn. Can anyone tell me what the Me. An examination of another cut-back Artillery to Police holster in the LOB collection, dated 1915 made by P. Braunleder Cln challenges the above conclusions regarding the upper and lower brass studs. We know now that it was DWM who started the v block. Sind viele Uenderungen aus dem Gebiete des Staats=, Polizei= und Strafrechts eingetreten. 3 days Left MAUSER C96 RED 9 POLICE, SIMSON REWORK. The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. Regarding the S. H.133. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Interestingly, this example used the expected regulation police holster up-strap and stud closure. ad[3]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; The two-piece assembly can also be German: Foreign Mfg. Hard to find historic variation. aware or familiar with that accessory, which is understandable, as TBLAP As to whether any police Lugers were used in caliber 7.65 mm is uncertain, however, one example pictured in Luger Variations by Harry Jones 1959, page 291 titled: 1920 POLICE WITH CHAMBER MARKINGS with the claim that during police service the Sear Safety Luger was chambered for the 7.65 m/m cartridge. regulations issued in 1932, and are shown in the following table. Any aluminium based or black plastic based magazine (without serial number) would be correct for this gun. Command of maintenance/supply section, Wirtschaftsamt The new police, which is basically intended for the field service and uniformed, not only provides the general security service, but also for the maintenance of order, calm and cleanliness, for the regulation of touch, for the outer sanctuary of Sundays and holidays, the singing transport system and finally ensure that the principles of business sports are observed. The E/Mg10 is thought to be the inspector stamp or proof marking used at this depot. the folded-over or closed holster body toe of the pictured 1924 example that twin belt loops were added to the holster rear. Mfg Part Number. An identical pistol variation is aptly described in Pistole Parabellum by Gortz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, V2, C23, P606, figure 546 text caption. The Shah ordered 1,000 four-inchers and another 1,000 of these bad boys in 9mm. Additionally, based on 1074." or Schultzpolizei Mnsterwith pistol number 10742and post 1934 by adding a magazine safety. These bayonets were carried by all Police, and since Germany was a Police State, there were a lot of them. WWI). This is a 9mm Luger manufactured by DWM for the Riff Tribe in Morocco. SIG Sauer MCX Review: Next-Gen Modern Sporting Rifle? Police unit marked on the back is S.B.13.435 (Municipal Police, Berlin unit 13) as described by the seller. the Zone railway police used an earlier, relatively obscure 7.65 m/m caliber, FN Model 1922 pistol. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. centered in the federal states of Prussia, Bavaria, Baden, Wuerttemberg, Polizei-Praesident Berlin=The Royal Police-President Berlin. German: German Mfg. PREUEN marked eagle, round belt buckle, gold or silver, has been identified. 19-130. Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, Note: Air surveillance departments controlled by the provincial Pictured is one such P08 police grip strap example, compared against variation 1 muzzle protector 2866, where no additional marks were added. 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