514.2). by Astroburrito, Kess Wizzards 513.1a); this change generally didn't change the functionality of any cards (before Magic 2010, "at end of turn" meant the beginning of the relevant "end of turn step", now called end step [C.R. Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber. 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Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. Let's say I'm on my second turn off a Final Fortune. If the turn ends with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while the ability is still on the stack, that ability will be exiled (C.R. Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4. 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This can be found in the rulings on gatherer. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.3b33fc17a17cec1345d4_.css.map*/[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call. Flip, Spear Spewer, and Thermo-Alchemist.Some maybe cards include Angrath, Captain of Chaos, and Cryptolith Fragment : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Magic: The Gathering. by JovialJovian 2 years ago, Post Now, according to https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr4-4/ [edit: and 722.3 see below] two players are involved in making decisions that keep this loop going. Hey all, my friend recently built an Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck and weve been struggling to understand the ruling. Take extra turns with blue/red for three and just say no after that. 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I have Obeka, Brute Chronologist enchanted with Freed from the Real and all the blue mana I need. I was playing a buddy of mine over the weekend and he had a good suggestion for my deck, which relies heavily on recurring creatures or making tokens and then keeping those creatures/tokens by skipping the end of turn triggers: darrenhabib how has the deck been doing for you? Rulings. In order for it to be considered a shortcut loop you must propose all actions involved including your opponents. Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END Decklist CMC Mana Prices Charts Draw 7 Commander 1 Obeka, Brute Chronologist Hand into play 1 Sneak Attack 1 Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded Token copies of creatures 1 Mimic Vat 1 Flameshadow Conjuring 1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Graveyard to battlefield 1 Araumi of the Dead Tide Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. by darrenhabib 2 years ago, Post Finally, "at the beginning of the end step" (examples include [[Ball Lightning]] and [[Heat Shimmer]]) expresses an ordinary triggered ability that likewise goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. So, if I may ask, say I want to Final Fortune for an extra turn but also get bonus mana from Thawing Glaciers during that extra turn. Legalities. TappedOut.js Blog Widget, ETB - Create one ore two tokens (Obeka, Kiki-Jiki, Phyrexian Dreadnought & Minamo, School at Water's Edge), Obeka's Ability and "At the end of YOUR turn" actions, Feldon of the Third Path - Loran's Smile (v1.4). Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. How long can I stop the game like this, and are there any penalties I would suffer under the rules? As the active player you do your combo to untap and trigger it again. 719.1d; see also C.R. I'm not certain the Commander has enough explosive power to consistently win vs 2 decks, but I have very good results in 1 v 1 with my Rakdos deck, and it often has spare cards by the end of the game, be it wipe or removal, because the deck just runs so much of those, with lots of the removal hitting more than 1 target (I love stuff like Phyrexian Purge, Fire Covenant, Make an Example, and Volcanic Offering can each be a terror of a card, and a deck running all of them has lots of pinpoint removal that will clear lots of stuff out. Would it just come down to whoever loses patience first? After looking into the rules surrounding loops and using the best of my judgely knowledge, it does appear to work, but I can't find any specific mentions of the situation on oracle rulings, or threads of the interaction in general, which seemed odd to me, considering the strangeness of this interaction. 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Signets and talismans seem extra good since they let us cast Obeka on turn 3. by darrenhabib 1 year ago. Obeka, Brute Chronologist, illustrated by Jesper Ejsing. I don't believe this means that they then have to choose differently, just that you shortcut to their xth choice. (Exile all spells and abilities from the stack. So effects with at, whenever, and when are triggered abilities that go on the stack and can be exiled from the stack by the effect of [[obeka]] and [[sundial of the infinite]]. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. This text, though, is unconventional for an ordinary triggered ability, so read it as "At end of combat, exile this creature". 513.1a].) Patrons help maintain an ad-light experience, and are never shown ads. The active player, you, must choose a different action. Card Text. See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. Obeka, Brute Chronologist "brute" forcing your opponents to end their turns with loops After commander legends I made an Obeka EDH list. ", Edit: the majority was right. The game advances through the lowest number of iterations chosen and the player who chose that number receives priority. I'm sure no one else is too surprised though . The end state has Obeka tapped. I do not think there has been a day the last five years where I have not had a deck in my hands trying to tune it to perfection. There is no way currently printed to extend the duration across multiple turns. Should you stop buying MtG products? This doesn't work either because you are not at the same game state after your opponent decides to not end the turn. It ends continuous effects that have a duration of "until end of turn" or "this turn". by Jack-Frost, Obeka, Reckless Chronicler As with "beginning of the next end step" abilities, if you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) while a "beginning of the next cleanup step" ability is on the stack, that ability will be exiled and won't trigger again. Obeka, Brute Chronologist is a commander that can be built around theft, extra turns or rez strategies. 603.7b; see also [[Bonus Round]] and [[Glimpse of Nature]]). Delina, Wild Mage has an effect that creates a token with an ordinary triggered ability, which says "Exile this creature at end of combat" at the time of this writing. Another Goad source that is great with a creature heavy board is Agitator Ant, which is hilarious a lot of the time. Don't know if it fits the theme of the deck, but it's an absolute pet card. I reasoned that the lore behind him had something to do with the ancient past, but I thought he was even older -- perhaps the beloved he sought was the legendary Rebbec! I'm not a judge but I'm like 99% sure this doesn't work. This site 2023 TappedOut.net, LLC You're not winning any games this way; you're just starting arguements at the table. First list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2320784#U.. Reanimation is one of the most popular themes in the entire Magic: The Gathering Commander format. Also worth noting is that ending the turn before the end step causes the At the beginning of the end step effects to trigger at the next end step that occurs since they were not triggered given the skipping of the end step. $1.80. Terms of Use | is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect? Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END. Steal shit, don't give it back. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Normally, players don't get to do anything in the Cleanup Step, but if something triggers or if a state-based action does something in the Cleanup Step, players do get priority. Because otherwise it would trigger again on the combat phase of the next player, wouldn't it? Also "in turn order" doesn't necessarily mean "starting with the active player". Flip) to ensure you can consistently cast stuff. I think we need more artifact mana. Card Text: . If you're using Goad effects, War Tax can let an opponent have a way around them, if there is a tax to attack Goad fails, and War Cadence is absolutely devastating with Goad, even a tax of 1 to block can make blocking impossible for weenie decks, and you can use either on anyone's turn. Commander protection is major in this deck, as are ways to untap your commander (because Blue says sleepy sleepy). Does ending the turn at end of combat delay the Final Fortune trigger until my next turn's end step, or does ending the turn with Obeka during combat immediately put any and all end of turn triggers on the stack and I need to find another way to end the turn before those resolve and I lose the game? What do you think about adding anger, lightning greaves and hall of the bandit lord for haste? The rules manager confirmed this doesn't work the way I'd like it too https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1365372480412471296 interesting that they don't consider choices independent actions. If you end the turn with Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite), this will move the turn to the cleanup step (C.R. Min price of the total 35 cards for sale. 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