I hope this helps you out some, they are actually all nice rods, but as I said there is a little different in line sizes. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that.) All of the Dickerson tapers I have made using Super Zs have been great. (Jerry Foster). Using too small a ferrule may be a factor. You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. A 2pc rod is much less vulnerable to breakage when fitted that way than a 3pc tip ferrule. (Will McMurrey), Just very briefly, a Castle Connell taper is a good example, where you have a curious reverse taper in the upper part of the lower half of the rod. But all right is not a euphemism for excellent. (Will McMurrey), A picture says a thousand words. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. 0.206 The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. 20 0.126 Are you so precise in your planing that all your stations are bang on, with less than .001"? (Robin Haywood), This would be very easy, but would impact on other desirable qualities. Jim Schaaf. by jim royston 05/26/17 08:58, Return to Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods., Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. 5 wt 0.0720 (Jay Hake), Apparently Dickerson didn't think so. Consider this, the aspect of looking at tapers as deviations from straight lines is most valid when you are designing from numbers and not from stress or deflection. Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. Any rod with a straight taper under load will feel to a greater or lesser extent, unnecessarily heavy in the tip and too soft in the butt. 2023 Spinoza Rod Company. Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) This taper, starting with a .068 tip dimension, makes a great middle distance 8' WF6 or 7-1/2' 5wt. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. Halstead. This in itself is a very interesting exercise. Do any rod makers sells rods they do not like? If so, which would work best as an all-around rod for lakes/ponds and steelhead/salmon? Station Diameter I'm satisfied with my bamboo fly rod, even though the female metal Ferrule opening was a little big and the male ferrule on the second section would slip out after a few cast. (Nick Nasello), I made the Dickerson 8615 last year for lake bass and liked it but it does get to be a bit if a bear to cast after about 3 hours. This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. Again, there is slight flattening around the ferrule, and I suspect the measurement at 35" is due to machine operator error/technique rather than designed in. In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. I don't find the 7'6" length to be too short. (Paul Blakley), I use the taper in Maurer's book, which is the same as Wane C's, which supposedly came from Young's mill. Design notes: Dennis Higham's 861711 found in David Ray's taper archive is also designated a 'D' model. 25 0.142 158834 Here are the tapers of the Dickerson 8014GS from the rod Jeff Fultz mic'ed and from Banjo's rod, since I had several requests both on and off list, I'll post here so anyone who wants them can save them. The taper on David Ray's site is an 861711D. Dennis looked over his rod and it, too, has two nodes right next to each other. All were very powerful eight weight rods with most of the action in the upper half. Mr. Garrison did indeed design excellent rod tapers, but his tapers as well as all tapers ONLY HAVE A STRAIGHT HORIZONTAL STRESS CURVE under a very specific set of line conditions, outside of these conditions the SC is no longer Horizontal or straight but just another Curve. 13/12. 50% due upon order placement; balance due upon completion. 50 0.213 There are no great tapers and nobody invented anything. 15 .128 .274 Also, your shorthand doesn't describe where these changes take place, which is as equally as important as the changes themselves. I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. to use it on trout other than the Yough, Savage River reservoir and some lakes. A straight line taper could be arbitrary, but in this case it is very specific to line weight. (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that. Fly Fishing Supplies & Gear. I made the Dickerson 7613 from the numbers in Jack Howells book. These are Bob's dimensions. I think you have fallen into the same trap that so many people do and forgot to realize that Stress Curves are only good for the conditions under which they are derived; change the conditions and you have changed the Curve. 35 .207 .086 Spurred into rodmakingby losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on tobecome one of the masters of the craft. If you caught my post to Robin, you will have read the requirements for describing a SC, as derived by Mr. Everett Garrison in his book. (Gary Nicholson), The chap is obviously of unsound mind as the Perfectionist is IMHO one of the all time worst taper rods out there. To my knowledge there are at least 3 versions of the 7613 out there. 0.320 That's so the swell is still in the action length. (Gordon Koppin), If I might ask: Which Perfectionist taper do you favor? Hmmm. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. 0.120 Except for where the swell begins, the butts are similar as well. (Timothy Troester). 0.369 Maybe they were off a little but I have no reason to believe that if his 13 die were 13.5 he would not have marked it thusly. (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? I just posted on the Rod Builders forum a 861711D Dickerson taper taken from a rod built in 1938 and restored by RW Summers in 2005. I like Dickerson's fast action, but I have not had a chance to try every rod Jim Payne made. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. Jim P. you have some great choices there. It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? 8ft #5wt. Dickerson Rods Notes On Rods and Models Rod Features Rod Bags & Tubes Rod Markings and Script Buyer/Collector Beware Dickerson Articles About The Model Profiles Dickerson 761510 Dickerson 8014 Guide The Tom Clark Collection Anecdotes & Unseen Photos Dickerson Guide Series The Earliest Dickerson What Are The Chances? This is because the laws of physics don't tend to change much. I cannot come up with an application for a 7'6''#5, with its inherent disadvantages for roll casting. Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. Tapers are very personal things. Even then I wince about their roll casting deficiencies. (Harry Boyd), In Dickerson-speak, does a 7613 have a 14 on the butt to 13 on the tip or a 13 on the butt to 12 on the tip stepdown? (Peter Jones) Just basic principles that have been around for years. I like Paynes too! (Bob Norwood), I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Dickerson 8615 7wt, the Garrison 221 7 wt, or the Payne Canadian Canoe 7 wt? Quite a disparity. 9 wt 0.0890. At The Airport. by wefishcane 05/08/09 02:55, Post I like 8013's. Manchester, VT 05254 I search on Google and didn't come up with anything. Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. Anyway, far too few people concern themselves over what should be the staple obsession of every rodmaker-design. 0.138 John P. has the Original Dickerson 7612 taper, a very rare rod but John understandably will not share the taper. I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. The long column to the right of that is what we think the raw cane would have measured, subtracting for varnish, and interpolating between our measurements so as to put everything back on 5-inch stations. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. (Jerry Foster). But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 65 0.248 134403 It seems several people have made rods for a given ferrule size (Dickerson #) with a size larger Super-Z. In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). Lyle Dickerson's famed taper. F E Thomas. 0.088 the mid is 42' and the closest measurements are 40" and 45" SO 2/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 AND 3/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45th. Casting range allows for some delicacy up close and personal, to the times that you want to reach out and touch someone a bit further away. You can design a flyrod, racing bicycle, airplane or motorcar to do one thing superbly with ease. I was contemplating a rod with a 3.5 ft tip section and interchangeable butt sections of maybe 2, 3 and 4 ft lengths. There is a view that all the great tapers have already been invented. These were Bailey Woods stepdown ferrules. The stepdown in the male is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule initially goes over the bamboo and steps down to 12/64 ID for the bamboo inside of the male slide. (Jerry Foster), Where do you get that? Can do a little better some days, but not always. (Gary Nicholson), So out of great curiosity then - how would you describe to me (someone who doesn't have a clue) how the action would feel or perform with regard to a "Straight Taper Rod" comparatively speaking. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection I recently sold a rod to a customer blind on the phone. The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. (Jerry Foster), For some applications, like fishing dries from a drifting boat, it could be even a bit short. by cwood 05/08/09 02:51, Post (Mark Dyba), Heh, nothing wrong with that. I think I can reply for Dennis, as I was one of the guys who measured those rods. This rod has some meat in the butt section and seems to mend a fair bit of line with ease. The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). As for the ferrule size, I use a 14/64 ferrule. 55 0.2275 The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". Mystic Outdoors is the premier manufacturer of high-performance fly fishing equipment for new anglers and seasoned veterans alike. maybe someone else has one! 1 wt 0.0540 Regarding the similarities and differences between the 7'6" and 8' Dickerson's. I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. 0.206 All that stops me is time, I get about six weeks a year unencumbered by business or meetings and I'm booked up to 2010! I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! 25 0.1405 The 6 for the Hex the 7 for streamers. When fishing bamboo for trout I believe the "best" length is an 8 foot rod. 0.288 (Mark Shamburg). (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. Can you direct me to where I can find more information on this? As we all know, rods can often cast line weights one up and down from their designated ones. About a week ago I was fishing the hex hatch on a certain small Wisconsin stream for the first time in many years, with a 7.5 ft 5wt, and actually wished I had a much shorter rod, given the overhanging trees. (Lew) Parks. On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. (Will McMurrey). 42 .194 .066 (Max Satoh), Yep, the drop at the ferrule is .014 which should call for the use of a step down. 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