I was pretty unhappy about being put through a public enquiry on television before I got to trial. Big Brother 15 winner Andy Herren has never been shy about sharing his opinion on social media. And thats absolutely not how I feel. Thats basically where you spend yourself emotionally as an editor, in between those two things. And then before you know it, I live a way away from London, finally we got in and I had a final meeting with my lawyers. Jane: So how did you avoid that photograph? Jane: I remember coming to see you with Eloise and the boys and you all sort of sit in a gymnasium, dont you? Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. I love a good book, both fiction and non-fiction. I dont need you take my advice but I do need you to listen to my advice. What I was reading, I disagreed with. When you saw very young men like that in prison, now that your own boys are reaching past adulthood, did you, sort of, connect with them? And I had so much incoming. The Coulson Brothers - Mills Brothers Medley -Bass Guitar & Vocals - Curt CoulsonLead Guitar & Vocals - Jack CoulsonKeyboards & Vocals - Otis CliftonDrums & . In 2001, in the run up to the general election, he asked Tony and Cherie Blair whether they were members of the mile high club. Andy: Well, I think because of the podcast series. Does that tail occasionally whip round and hit you? "Due to the unique nature of our shoreline, we have designed and constructed our own barges and tugs to accommodate services in landscaping, septic systems, demolition, and excavation,"says Arnie. The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. Its actually a relatively modern prison but its got, as anyone whos been there, either inside or visiting, will know, this enormous American-style prison wall around its perimeter, and massive gates. Coulson, 46, who also worked as director of . Coulson replaced Rebekah Wade as editor in 2003. The court felt that they could deal with it so thats where that ended. The main thing for me is that bitterness bullet, youve just got to keep dodging it, because bitterness really does send you only one way, it will only ever send you backwards. And a whole lot of stuff happened at the News of the World which should not have happened during my time, and Im sorry about that because the impact of it on an awful lot of people was, the result of it was a lot of pain and a lot of hurt for people. BirthName, Nickname, and Profession So first, let's take a look at some personal details of Andy, like name, nickname, and profession. During the course of the first series, there have been a few moments where people have asked me, guests have asked me, about my own experiences and Ive been happy to give a response. Some of them not even necessarily related to the stuff weve been talking about here, its just life. And to have a prime minister on television, while my jury was still out, although theyd delivered a verdict on the intercepting communications, they hadnt delivered a verdict on another charge that was later dropped. Andy: And then you go onto a tag and then, by the way, you are on licence for another lump of time and you are very restricted. That these prison sentences, you end up in a holiday-camp prison. What did crisis teach you about friendship? Coulson edited one of. I was an editor of the News of the World for four years. Andy: No, as I say, only during the course of a very long trial in the Old Bailey where I answered every question, I gave full evidence and answered every question that was asked of me by a fair number of lawyers and a judge. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. Coulson was the editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. [15] Other defendants were cleared. Jane: Lets just backtrack a bit there. Former News of the World editor Rebekah Brooks had an affair with former News of the World editor Andy Coulsonboth of whom are pasty, married to other people, and currently on trial for. I think there are people who probably think that the door should have been locked forever. Andy: Well I think for most people, not all actually, but most people who go to prison it's the kind of beginning of the end because yes youre in a van, yes youre going to Belmarsh, but you know now you are on the road, actually, to the end. Various media stories estimated his salary at between 275,000[26] and 475,000; the party indicated the latter figure was "inaccurate" and that his salary was "substantially less" but refused to provide an exact figure. Youve got to find your match and Ive definitely done that. I guess well talk about that in a bit more detail. [60][61], Coulson was to face a retrial, together with the News of the World's former royal editor Clive Goodman, after the jury failed to agree a verdict on two other charges of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer. I got told by a couple of prison guards, because I chatted to everyone, again, its the journalist in me, I had lots of conversations with other prisoners and with prison guards, prison officers and two of them actually told me, Youre just being put to the bottom of the pile, Andy. All the old clichs are clichs for a reason and that kind of what doesnt kill you makes you stronger I think is true from the individual point of view, but I think it is also true from a family point of view. I think he had people advising him at that stage, obviously. [52], On 24 July 2012, Coulson was charged along with seven others for "conspiring to intercept communications without lawful authority from 3 October 2000 to 9 August 2006. I use a guy who lives up in Scotland, Ron, who is just outstanding and I still talk to him from time to time now. Therefore, the search process before you come in for a visit, as a visitor, is pretty unpleasant. Andy: Well Belmarsh is also a building thats out of central casting, if I can put it that way. The most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy?. Ive got a better understanding of myself, I suppose, without wishing to get too airy-fairy about it. And that just didnt happen. Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. Andy: Well because Belmarsh is a high-security prison for a reason. Andy Coulson is Founder of www.coulsonpartners.com and host of www.crisiswhatcrisis.com. [1][65], English journalist and political strategist, Conservative Party communications director, Downing Street Director of Communications. Jane: So, tell me, what was a typical day at Belmarsh? Which do you think it was? As director of communications for the Conservatives he does an excellent job in a proper, upright way at all times. One you can have total control over, and that is: dont get into debt. And what I understood quite quickly is that theres two routes to violence in prison. The judge hearing Coulson's trial was critical of the prime minister, pondering whether the intervention was out of ignorance or deliberate, and demanded an explanation. [22], On 21 July 2009 Coulson appeared in front of the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee and denied any knowledge of the phone hacking scandal, saying "my instructions to the staff were clear we did not use subterfuge of any kind unless there was a clear public interest in doing so. You can be walking along the landing and someone walking the other way, for whatever reason, decides that the answer to their problem that day is to attack you. And the reason that Ive been able to, its been a long time since I came out of prison and the reason Ive been able to get back on my feet, Ive got a reasonably successful business now and Ive got some fantastic clients and colleagues, life is pretty good, and that is in large part due to her. Andy Coulson IBM z Specialist at IBM Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom 2K followers 500+ connections Join to connect IBM University of Wales, Cardiff About IBM Mainframe Systems and Security. I wasnt forced to be a tabloid newspaper editor and I wasnt forced to be a Tory spin doctor, if thats the description you want to use. And I managed to get down just in time and before you know it youre off driving through the city and I just remember looking at the bright blue sky really. Thats what we have here and obviously for me Im going to say its an imperfect system, but Im certainly not arguing that it should have been done some other way. It takes you nowhere. Where did the resilience come from, do you think, to deal with that? People treated us with respect and we did the same. I mean thats why I think I have instinctively never really taken that sort of approach because I dont much like that. Andy: No, no, I had a bit of sarcasm, quite understandably really, a bit of joshing. [9][10][11][12], In June 2014 at the Old Bailey, Coulson was found guilty of a charge of conspiracy to intercept voicemails (phone-hacking). [51] He was questioned under caution, and later that day released on police bail until October, but made no comment on his release. And its going to be Groundhog Day and actually the consequences of that trial could be even worse in Scotland and then a whole load of politics attached to that and theres a whole load of new agendas. You talk about your wife, Eloise, and also your three sons. The way I choose to deal with it and the way Ive chosen to deal with it is be positive and go and build a business and employ some brilliant people, which I now do and go and work with a fantastic set of clients, which I do. Andy: There were a lot of politics in it. Also learn how He earned most of networth at the age of 52 years old? Were going to put you to work. Andy: Oh yeah, without any shadow of a doubt and thats thanks to her, not me. [43] Sean Hoare, showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". Jane: Well that was sort of going to be my next question, because undoubtedly your role at Downing Street heightened the interest in your trial. Andy talks about confronting his mistakes and the . Is that why you resigned? And actually, I dont feel much right now at all, life is good. Its constantly incoming and my job, in fact, was to manage those crises. In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. The judge added that it was for him, and not the jury, to decide on this aspect of the case and that the Crown's legal submissions had failed to satisfy him that Coulson's evidence had been sufficiently relevant to the Sheridan trial. I think there are probably people who think that I should still be in prison. There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. He added that the case against him had been a "waste of money". Ive got very used to that. You pull up and the gates open and you know youre going to prison, youre in no doubt that youre going to prison. When did you last speak to him? There were elements of my crisis that were entirely self-inflicted. And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. [2], Coulson started work at 18 as a junior reporter on the Basildon Echo in 1986. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. People were being genuinely kind to me. In the same way, Jane, that I hope that people will not judge me entirely on my mistakes, Im not going to judge other people entirely on their mistakes. We talk about it and funnily enough they, it would be wrong to say that they laugh about it, but they found some aspects of it quite fascinating. So I rang him and we had a conversation and that led me to say: Look, youve got plenty of friends in your life, you dont need any more friends, thats not what this is about, but if this is going to work we do need to be straight with each other with what you are trying to do here. He subsequently joined David Cameron's personnel as communications director, until announcing his departure on 21 January 2011 because of continued media coverage of the phone-hacking affair. He was acquitted in two, including one in Scotland, but was convicted of conspiracy to intercept communications, or phone-hacking as it became known, and at the Old Bailey was sentenced to 18 months. They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. Former government director of communications and News of the World. 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