Or do they just know? This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? We know that she went to her office and attempted to order haircare products, and in the welfare check footage you can clearly see a large dark blanket on the sofa, and two small pink chair beds by the side of the sofa. Your thoughts? parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. It was on an automatic answering thing. The childrens cause of death was given as asphyxiation due to smothering. Bella also had Blunt force trauma. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. There are no words . Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. Therefore your theory is not valid. If the girls were dead by ca. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? Shanann Watts. She often plied them with food and treats and I just felt like she needed to set some boundaries. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? Thats all information in police interviews with Shananns friends. Frank and Sandy Rzucek, and their son Franky, tell CBS4 they have been physically, emotionally and financially exhausted by unfounded claims by conspiracy theorists who believe they played roles . https://jcp.bmj.com/content/54/5/348, This is why Shanann had no defensive injuries, and this technique would account for everything in her autopsy, from blood alcohol/ethanol levels to an unbroken hyoid bone . would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? Listen to the cop who interrogated him after he tells that stupid story. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. What information to that extent do you expect *an autopsy* to provide?? No, it doesnt. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. She also could not stand Shannan. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? Do not make it more complex than it need be please. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. And then you test it in various scenarios. The trauma dogs noted hot spots in the basement. Watts pleaded guilty to murdering Shanann, Celeste and Bella to avoid the death penalty. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. Its actually not uncommon. He failed all 3 questions. He is very thorough, very professional, analyses and peels back all the layers. Hope he has a wonderful time rotting and thinking about what hes done to his family. Thankyou. Autopsy reports for Bella and Celeste say that the necks of the children were swabbed even though they were in a container of oil, water, and associated sludge matter. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. You see any documents with that diagnosis? Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Even more common with pregnant women. (He left the house as the sun was coming upmore on this below). He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. Then he asks to talk to his dad. He says with a halphazard yeah she was like for sure gone, she was blue, and no beats, no breaths, nothing. Areas of bruising, internal. Im a survivor. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. Cause if it was the way CW said she would have fought back. It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. She loved her kids more than he did, obviously!! But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. Maybe he lost patience with her. @nickdvl. Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. didnt attempt it herself. I meant three perfectly formed humans. "Chris Watts Just Snapped" "Why wasn't Shan'ann's body dumped into the oil tanks as well?" #Shakedown's Call on the Chris Watts Case: The Bodies were "Processed" The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. I have a question. People with OCD have rituals. Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. You wrote a book blaming Shannan- seems to me youre just throwing your assumptions around. I was VERY proud of my being able to take down the biggest man in my class. She was not drinking! However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. Read my above post. I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. Did she even go upstairs to sleep? It was the early hours of the morning, she was pregnant, fed up with airport holdups and storms, and tired. I think he had mental issues too. Chris Watts isnt my hero. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. She had everything she needed on the ground floor kitchen for food and drink, office to make haircare purchases, bathroom and toilet and a big sofa with a huge blanket left on it as shown in the initial welfare check police body-cam footage. Anyways, interesting theories guysthanks! 1. DENVER (CBS4) The district attorney in Weld County says the autopsy reports are complete for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters found dead at . https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. First of all- the digestive tract is long. but I dont think she ever went upstairs, not even to check on the girls. He knew immediately Watts was guilty as well as the neighbor viewing the camera. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. I lived with one. He then pursued and strangled her there. He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 You know theres plenty of that right? Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. On top of that, he had to forcibly PUSH Bella down into the oil tank, because she was larger than the 8 inch diameter oil tank hole to fit through please answer why? Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. Advertisement. During decomposition, gasses cause stuff to come out but thats a different matter. Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. I do know a lot of women who do this also. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Not whether you or most people would or wouldnt do that do you think Shanann was the type of person to do that? You should apologise to him actually for your rude remarks in your comment. IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. As for the one person Im referring to I think ignoring them is pretty much a good idea (: Im not a contributor to this conversation. Unless I missed it? So Chris Watts said she barely got into bed, and soshe barely got into bed? 100% yes again), @Kim cadaver dogs dont just detect bodies they scent death, trauma sites, bodily fluids relating to death, and sites where arguments have taken place (they scent the adrenaline-type hormones released & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. He pushes her off CeCe and strangles her with both hands ( he demonstrates ) The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. In his story he goes downstairs & hears commotion goes into the bedroom & sees Bella on her bed with covers off & then Shannan on top of CeCe. That is what is difficult; without a trial we have no way of knowing all the forensic evidence and what tests the state started to perform or did perform. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. I bet there was no conversation. He was holding me down by sitting on me, one leg on each side of my stomache. Death by asphyxiation in each case. Do you think CW could have strangled her from behind? No other way to put it. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. If thats the case I cant figure where else they would have been at that time. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. Unfortunately, I know what its like to be strangled. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? These people cant tell the truth about anything. Hey, I appreciate ppls input but to act all high and mighty and be disrespectful of others by trying to make them look and feel like idiotsI dont care how much you know or how smart you are. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. No sign of that either. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. Its a matter of body position. All these people do is lie. She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. And all I can see is ShanAnns MLM addiction coupled with the desire to live well beyond her means, to give an impression that she was rich-rich-rich, which Im sure she envisioned as a way to promote her business get new people to sign on. According to the arrest affidavit and footage from a security camera in the interview room, he failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed to murdering Shanann. I agree with you Jessica The ground was visible disturbed. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! I just dont understand this. There was no oil in Ceces stomach. Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? His aversion to it is so blatant, and its obvious why. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. I also believe Shanann was also sleeping when the attack occurred which could explain her lack of putting up a fight. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. Her Dad stated that Shanann would often sleep on the sofa when he stayed at the house, and again when she was in NC after Chris arrived. Perhaps it is safer that the majority public dont know the facts. My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. Its in the autopsy x. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. On page one of the report in the list of Diagnoses, it states:- But think about it. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. Taking it off makes the breasts throb & feel more painful. I believe those stains were on the sheets and thats why they were pulled off. When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. Im sure he didnt want any questions from her or to talk about anything. When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. She just laid there still because he was in such a rage? The detective said not really. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. This dog did not find any place of interest (both seemed to be keen on searching by the basement bed) If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Sociopaths/Covert narcissists wreak havoc and(emotional) destruction on those around them without exception. Or putting her down. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. Maintaining compression in a Stranglehold after unconsciousness is rendered may result in death. For nothing. When youre pregnant, your chest grows significantly and pretty rapidly- its completely understandable that she might have been wearing one to bed. You may say murder itself is cowardice, but if youre the murderer, youre taking a huge risk, and if youre an introverted murderer, youre being your version of brave by physically confronting and attacking someone. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. Notice she was undressed when found. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. The second dog also had a housetraining mishap in the basement. 2. No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. Did anyone explain that? But from Molletts work, it seems the alcohol levels in Shananns body were normal. Googled ways to suffocate children? I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. Or do you believe his lies, that she harmed the kids and then he did same to her? Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. Dont jump on me buthear me bnb ot, I believe Chris. 1. The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. I think thats what she did (shed had an extra 3 hours of airport to be rid of!) The reports also show that Shananns fetus had been expelled from her body, which was buried in a shallow grave. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. Youre obviously trolling! Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. He didnt attempt to revive the children or call for help. Rude person. There is no soul in his eyes. No, so you have same information that anyone else has. She also wanted to make her marriage work. They say the questions had nothing to do with infidelity so it doesnt matter whether or not he had an affair. And even if he did not kill them twice so to speak, he killed the on in front of the other with no thoughts to their fear levels or anything but yet you put all the blame on another of the victims. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. Her death was the only one categorized as violent by the coroner Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. She had the girls in daycare full time to the tune of $500 a week, spending $28k a year per official documents, and this HAD to be a financial strain. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. Perhaps they had one via phone or text. I see it is listed as pronounced and no estimates of time for cause of death? As far as OCD I dont believe she had it This shows how little insight you have into this case, and into who Shanan was in particular. But then whats your scenario? Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? Parents reach for any hope, even if the child is blue, even if rigor has set in, theyre desperate and people who are not emotionally involved as them, professionals,have to tell them its too late. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? Shanann is very OCD [McKenna Lindstrom, the babysitter]. And to come home to a cheating bum! Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? Under anaerobic conditions (absence of free oxygen) acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and butyric acid are produced during decomposition, as well as a number of alcohols which include butyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol and acetone. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. Powered by. GPS from Watts work truck led police to the oil well. Smothering is albeit horrific, a more a gentle or approach that a mother may take. I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. Just a suggestion. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. August 4, 2018, 12:45 a.m.: Shanann sends her husband a long text message accusing him of failing to stand up for her after his parents exposed their daughter Celeste to nuts, which she was allergic to. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. I also believe he had that conversation in the morning because I dont know many women that sleep in their bras. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. It was a matter of how they were immersed in the oil. The DA explained that it is due to decomposition and the body breaking down. Want to keep up with the latest. To do her business? Jayne is an EXTREMELY experienced K9 handler she can be seen in action in the Docu-Movie Missing 411. Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. Chris said he forgot the phone. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. Death is simply not pretty, nor was it meant to be. She strangled them.. And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. She didnt nick him in the neck, that mark was not from her nails. The DA mentioned that. police fileA picture Shanann sent a friend. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. And where do you think he did it? Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. 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